FF 11: ‘It’s all about the gut’ with naturopath Jasmine Polley

Want to learn about baby gut health? In this episode of Flourishing Families, Dorte Bladt talks to Charlestown Naturopath, Jasmine Polley, about a healthy gut for kids.

Jasmine Polley shares her professional insights about the connection between a healthy gut and a healthy body and brain. You will understand the importance of feeding your gut bacteria to help them thrive and the intricacies of pre and probiotics. Enjoy!

Intro: Flourishing Families with Dorte Bladt, the Switched On Kids chiropractor and her passionate friends sharing the secret of inspiring wellness to help your families thrive.

Dorte Bladt: Welcome, Jasmin Polley. We’ve got Jasmin – she is a local Charlestown naturopath. I’m really excited to have a chat to you.

Jasmin Polley: Hi, Dorte. Thanks for inviting me on to your podcast.

Dorte Bladt: My pleasure! So tell us a little bit about yourself. Who are you? What do you do?

Jasmin Polley: Well, I am a biomedical naturopath. I started about 15 years ago and I’m currently still studying. I think I’ve always studied, but moving more into the functional medicine side of things as well. So I specialise quite heavily in gut and digestive health as well as hormone and thyroid imbalances.

Dorte Bladt: Interesting. Can I just be – because I’m not the smartest person in the world – what’s the difference between a naturopath and a biomedical, whatever you said you were, practitioner, and functional medicine?

Jasmin Polley: Well, there’s a lot of overlap there because my view on things has been always looking at the underlying cause and having a good framework where to investigate that in each person that comes in. Functional medicine provides more of a framework around that. So, it’s very evidence-based and it gives us a really good way of digging deeper and finding those Achilles’ heels that people might have that’s their imbalance and where some of their health issues may come from.

Dorte Bladt: So does that mean different testing?

Jasmin Polley: Yes.

Dorte Bladt: How would naturopath testing compare to a functional medicine? I mean, I know it’s different from person to person.

Jasmin Polley: Well, it is very different from person-to-person so it’s a difficult thing to say. I do use quite a lot of normal pathology. Not so much with kids, though, because I don’t like to put kids through unnecessary blood tests.

Dorte Bladt: They hate them.

Jasmin Polley: Yes, but as well as other functional medicine tests. Then obviously a big part of it is a really good case history taking, so really digging deeper, finding out when did their actual health imbalance start, because I see a lot of these symptoms as being an imbalance in what the body wants to restore to normal. So, if we can adjust that, then the body has got an amazing ability to be able to heal itself.

Dorte Bladt: Yeah, it’s amazing, isn’t it? So, just fill me in a little bit about… you said, so you like, if we’re looking at kids anyway.

Jasmin Polley: Yeah, sure.

Dorte Bladt: Looking at their guts. What does gut health have to do with the health of a person?

Jasmin Polley: I think gut health is paramount because our gut is where we’re receiving the nutrients into our body. It’s also where our immune system is trained. So, most of our immune system hangs out in the gut, especially when it comes to kids – their immune system is developing and this is happening in utero and through the breast milk as well. There’s a big priming of that immune system that’s happening in the early years. If we can really look after kids and their gut health in those times, then we show that there’s a much-reduced expression of chronic disease later in life.

Dorte Bladt: So what does a good gut consist of?

Jasmin Polley: A good gut symptom-wise, you mean?

Dorte Bladt: No. Just what does it look like? When you assess a person and you say, “oh, my goodness.  You’ve got a great gut!”

Jasmin Polley: Well, a lot of that, first off, would come back from the symptoms. So people saying that they’re breaking their bowel motions. A lot of them have got lovely Bristol stool charts. Everybody gets to see that and show me what sort of stool they’re having each day because that’s really important to see if they’re going frequently, the right form and things.  

The other thing is no bloating, indigestion, burping. All of those kinds of things. Now, there’s a lot of testing that we can do. So, usually, that will either be something that could be initially people coming in for gut health complaints. Otherwise, people want to usually address their current concerns and then I move them towards gut health with pretty much every client, because I see it’s so important. That’s where we can do testing for their microbiome, so we can actually do genetic testing to see what levels of bacteria they have. Then we can also test food sensitivities if there are any issues with them reacting to things. It should be healthy foods in their diet but it’s not healthy for them. Also that their nutrition is correct, because if they’ve got nutritional deficiencies then that could come from them having either gut inflammation or a lack of enzymes or ability to digest.  

Dorte Bladt: So what would kids be present with that would have a gut issue?

Jasmin Polley: They can present with a lot of different things. So, obviously, gut symptoms would be a big one. So, constipation or diarrhoea. I get a lot of parents coming in where the child might only go once every second or third day and a lot of people have the assumption that that’s normal because that’s the way it’s always been. I don’t see that as normal and that can usually be corrected quite quickly with just being able to tweak their diet for what’s suitable for them and address any food sensitivities that they may have. Other things can be chronic sinusitis or ear infections, often to do with gut health as well. That’s where the immune system is reacting to other foods or environmental stimuli that it shouldn’t be, so it’s overreacting. And other ones would be a lot of the allergies, so like eczema, dermatitis reactions, as well as even things like asthma and hay fever symptoms would be a lot to do with gut health and the harming of the immune system as well.

Dorte Bladt: Okay. You have mentioned food sensitivities a couple of times and the fact that certain healthy foods or that we perceive as healthy may not be healthy for a person. Could you maybe elaborate a little bit about how does that work in a little child?

Jasmin Polley: Absolutely. So say, for instance, if the child doesn’t react well to the dairy protein. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s… a lot of people think of lactose intolerance but what we often see with food sensitivities is more about the casein and, in some cases, the whey, which are the protein components of the milk and that, in turn, in grains could be the gluten from your oats or your wheat products. So with those sorts of foods, they’re seen as an intruder to the body. That means that the child’s immune system can actually start attacking those components that are coming in and cause inflammation through the system. Now, if there’s inflammation in the system, depending on where those inflammatory compounds settle out in the body is where you can get symptoms. So they could settle out in the skin causing eczema; they could settle out in the joints causing joint pains;  obviously, some of them can pass through the blood-brain barrier and cause moods, like anxiety or poor concentration or even autism and ADHD symptoms. They’re linked in with those as well.

Dorte Bladt: Oh, and we see so much of that. What’s your theory as to why have the inflammatory numbers… I suppose when I say inflammatory I’m thinking about the things you just mentioned. You know, when I go back and think of being young, I don’t remember anyone having bloating or eczema or ADHD, and I’m sure it’s just because I had a small number of friends, but why do you think things have changed over the last many years?

Jasmin Polley: I think a lot has to do with the way that we produce our foods. There’s so much… like in a lot of foods, there’s less fibre in those foods, there are more chemical residues in those foods and we know from kids’ bodies, they’ve got a smaller liver and their smaller weight ratio so they’re affected by pesticides and chemicals in our foods much more than adults are. So I think that that’s a big part and then just the way that we breed our foods, with the different hybrids. For instance, with wheat, it contains huge or much larger amount of gluten than it used to, and then we’ve got the glyphosate which can make kids more, and people in general, more reactive to the gluten as well.

Dorte Bladt: So what is glyphosate?

Jasmin Polley: Glyphosate is like your Roundup.

Dorte Bladt: Oh, really? Sorry, I misunderstood you.

Jasmin Polley: I was just reading a paper the other day actually showing that it forms complexes with the gluten that the immune system can then not be able to recognise well. The other components tend to be able to break down the gluten properly.

Dorte Bladt: So, it is coming back to being more inflammatory for the body.

Jasmin Polley: Yes. It brings back the argument for people who don’t have celiac disease, are they reacting to the gluten because they’re actually intolerant to the gluten or is it because of these chemicals and pesticides that are on the gluten?

Dorte Bladt: So the first point of advice from there would that be to try to eat more organic, less processed?

Jasmin Polley: If people can. Now, I know that it’s sometimes picking the battles and I think for parents listening out there, they might be just thinking, “well, that’s great, but I can’t afford that”. So yes, if you think your child is reactive to gluten then potentially if you’re going to give them bread, try them on an organic type bread if you’re not keen on going gluten-free. But really, I guess I look at if maybe taking the gluten out initially – if that’s doable for the parent. See if everything settles down because sometimes they can be more sensitive to even just the one. If things don’t settle down then sometimes we need to go a little bit further and then see if we can bring that back and if we’re going to bring it back, bringing back the organic form of it first would be a good way of testing that theory, I guess.

Dorte Bladt: Do you have ways of testing – I guess what I’m hearing is that you’re saying try to eliminate different products. Are there ways, knowing that kids have sometimes very selective palates, are there ways of maybe helping a family go through that so they don’t have to just eliminate everything?

Jasmin Polley: Yeah, absolutely. I try to keep it as simple as I can. If we do the food intolerance test then that actually helps to see what the main culprits are and then I’d focus more on the moderate to severe intolerances with that. Otherwise, it’s about helping people go through eliminating the major ones which often are your wheat or gluten, dairy and eggs.  So they’re pretty much the three that I see come up the most. Obviously, nuts, seafood, yeast, and others that can be there, but those three tend to form most of the intolerances. Some kids will be reactive to just one of those. Unfortunately, some kids will be reactive to more. If I see a lot of reactions there then I’m definitely considering more of a leaky gut or an intestinal permeability point of view, so they could have had their intestine – some sort of infection, perhaps – that they’ve had that’s led to some increased leakiness that’s going to make them more reactive to other foods as well. So sometimes when we correct their gut health, these food intolerances can go away in some cases.

Dorte Bladt: Okay, so, I’ve got lots of questions for you. I can’t remember them all. So with regards to the food intolerance test, is that the proper blood test that you would get normally when you go for an intolerance test?

Jasmin Polley: No. With kids, we usually do just one that’s a little finger prick. I’m pretty good at doing that now. We hardly ever get any tears.  

Dorte Bladt: Oh, very good!

Jasmin Polley: I know! Quite quick! And that tests for 46 different foods. Now, it’s an IgG reaction test so it’s not a true allergy test. If I do suspect allergies then that’s when I still would refer them to an immunologist to get the skin prick test because that’s the most accurate way. Although, I do see some people go through with the blood tests and I don’t always find that that’s an accurate way to test allergies.  

Dorte Bladt: Can you just explain – because I think sometimes people get a little bit confused about that whole allergy intolerance scenario – how come they’re not the same?

Jasmin Polley: It’s actually a different immune effect in the body. So, with an allergy, you’re getting histamine released from mast cells, so it’s quite a fast onset and it can be quite severe. So that can be often with asthma or airway issues, but it can also be around sinus and eczema in some cases, whereas an intolerance – sometimes that can take up to three days to set in. It can be an accumulative effect in some people. Some kids – they might be okay having a bit of dairy, but when they have too much, all of a sudden they get a flare-up of their symptoms. That can be really difficult as a parent because you’ll be thinking about what they’ve had. They’ve been having dairy and then they’ve had this new food which may not be related at all but it can just confound the mothers. A lot of parents are just really confused with what’s setting off their kids in the first place.

Dorte Bladt: Well, fair enough – but is it a combination of this or is it a combination of that? Then you end up not being able to eat much of anything.

Jasmin Polley: Absolutely and I think that that’s the really sad thing – there’s a lot of kids that end up on quite restrictive diets that I see. My aim is to try to prevent that as much as possible because the more that you restrict the diet back then you’re going to actually cause damage to the gut microbiome or the bacteria that live in our gut that have to actually keep our immune system modulated.

Dorte Bladt: So because you have a restrictive diet, I’m just trying to extrapolate on what you’re saying, does it mean that the gut bacteria live on different types of foods?

Jasmin Polley: They do indeed, yes. A lot of them, especially anybody that comes and sees me knows that I’m very passionate about a rainbow food diet, so trying to get as many different plant pigments from as many different variety of plants, so rather than sticking to the same type of apple or the same type of carrot, experimenting and trying different colours of food, different colours of grasses, different coloured beans. All of those things can feed different varieties of our gut microbiome and when we’re thinking about our gut bacteria, we can have over a thousand different species in there. Some of those might be only fringe dwellers, so they might only be very small numbers, but if we put the right foods in there they can grow up and really cause massive effects in our own immune balance.

Dorte Bladt: So how long does it take to change the gut microbiome?

Jasmin Polley: It does depend. If there is really imbalances there then sometimes it can take a little bit of time to be able to, I guess, restore balance in the gut. So with kids that have been on quite a restrictive diet, we can’t go too fast because then we’ll get bloating if we bring in foods too quickly. However, when we’re looking at the actual growth of bacteria, we can radically change what bacteria are growing in our gut in only four days.

Dorte Bladt: Oh, my goodness. That’s quick, isn’t it?

Jasmin Polley: Really quick, but saying that, yes, sometimes it does take a lot longer than that just to prevent symptoms coming on in the first place. Make slow and steady adjustments so that the kids aren’t getting flares in their symptoms.

Dorte Bladt: I suppose when you say it only takes four days to make a change, then it probably also means it takes less than four days to make a negative change, if you’re unwell or if you’re taking too many days of not particularly supportive foods.

Jasmin Polley: Absolutely and I think a lot of people might know that after coming back from holidays and maybe feeling good on holidays for a period of time and then getting back and going, “oh, I really upset the balance of that”.

Dorte Bladt: “Oh, back to normal”. Okay, so if we find that a child has some sensitivities – let’s just say it’s gluten – does that mean, “okay, we’ve done a blood test, we see it’s gluten, we’re taking it off”. Are they off gluten forever?

Jasmin Polley: Well, that’s a really tricky one because there’s a big difference between something like celiac disease, which is an autoimmune condition where they’re actually attacking that gluten and is causing a lot of gut damage compared to someone who maybe has an IgG reaction to gluten or to wheat or something like that. So if they’ve been diagnosed as celiac disease – which the unfortunate thing about that it can be quite difficult to diagnose because they need to be eating quite a lot of gluten – then there’s a blood draw or test that’s taken. If they’ve got high levels of antibodies there then they usually send for a biopsy to confirm that. So that’s the celiac side of things but if somebody is reactive, say on an IgG test, and we don’t believe it’s celiac disease then what I would be focusing at first of would be settling down their symptoms, healing their gut, so you know, trying to make sure that they don’t have any leaky gut and that their immune system back to balance and then we can start with some of the gluten and grains back into their diet and see if that flares things up.

Dorte Bladt: To see how they react.

Jasmin Polley: Unfortunately, there is a little bit of guesswork there because the testing in Australia for gluten is still a little bit behind.

Dorte Bladt: So what’s your experience with the amount of time that it takes to heal? You said that you can make a change in the gut over four days and, chances are, that’s not what’s going to happen if you’ve been having 12 years of gluten intolerance, or whatever. What sort of time frame do you tell the parents? Do you say, “okay, we’re going to do this for, I don’t know, six months, and then we’ll do a test”? Or are you going to say “we’ll do it in three weeks and then we’ll do a test”? Or what’s your sense?

Jasmin Polley: Well, once again it depends on the situation as well. So, like, if I’ve got kids coming in that have got diagnosed celiac disease then we know that it’s going to take about 6 months before their intestine is absorbing food in the right manner to curb some of their nutrient deficiencies and obviously, they’re going to be staying off gluten for life. However, for a child who maybe has eczema and is reactive with that, they should start seeing results with taking those foods out within the first week or two. But you would be waiting at least the 3 to 6 months before you wanted to start bringing those foods in and that’s when we’ll be doing the gut healing. Now, to know the exact time frame of how long that takes, it depends if we did the testing. With most of the parents, we’ll just go off the symptoms more so than doing the testing. However, there is leaky gut testing that we can do. I always offer the testing but there’s no pressure either way. We can work in a range of budgets and that sort of thing with people.

Dorte Bladt: There are a lot of different people talking about – obviously – the state of the gut microbiome and suggesting kombucha and kefir and kimchi and sauerkraut. How do you feel about from not a supplement point of view but from having those things in your diet? What effect does it have in the gut?

Jasmin Polley: Well, a lot of those probiotics that you get in those forms – and the same also with your supplement forms – they’re transients. That means they don’t set up house in the gut but they come through and they can actually help re-establish balance in our own gut bacteria. So our gut bacteria are generally set at quite a young age, around three years old. They say that our gut microbiome is set and that it’s not going to change too much. Obviously, we could kill off species in that time but we’re not going to be able to add too many at current thinking anyway. So what we’re doing with putting some of these fermented foods in, though, is actually some of these bacteria that are coming in can help potentially have a settling effect on the immune system as well as acting a little bit like police, I say. So, getting some of the gut bacteria that may be messing up to straighten up some of their habits. So, that’s where we use probiotics as well. Some of the probiotics that I use are ones that have been consistently shown to be useful, say for instance some are beneficial for diarrhoea, some for constipation, some for allergies, and knowing their specific strains that would do that job.

Dorte Bladt: So it’s not just necessarily going to the chemist and say, “oh, I’ll just have that one.”

Jasmin Polley: Absolutely. There’s a lot out there that have got 50 billion of ten different strains and really they’re doing nothing because they’re not using strains that have got any efficacy in the body. Saying that, though, I still definitely encourage the fermented foods and I’m a big fan of encouraging prebiotics.

Dorte Bladt: That was my next question. What’s a prebiotic compared to a probiotic?

Jasmin Polley: A prebiotic is the food for the probiotics, like them taking their packed lunch when you’re taking a probiotic, or if you think about your own gut bacteria which the number of bacteria that we have in our gut outnumber our own cells ten to one.

Dorte Bladt: Wild, isn’t it?

Jasmin Polley: I know. That still gets me. So if we’re actually nourishing them through feeding them the right types of food – that can make a massive difference. When we’re looking at prebiotic, some of the things like your inulin or FOS, for instance, has been shown to increase levels of your lactobacilli and bifidobacteria and decrease levels of a lot of your harmful bacteria. So that’s something that’s great in there and it’s also a really great one for kids because it’s great for their immune balance.

Dorte Bladt: Okay. Is that a supplement or is that something you find in foods?

Jasmin Polley: Both, actually. So it comes actually in a lot of your FODMAP foods. I don’t know if many people have heard of the Low FODMAP Diet. The Low FODMAP Diet is a diet that restricts different carbohydrates because it can settle down bloating and a lot of gut symptoms. The problem is a lot of people can get stuck on this diet for too long and they can actually not be feeding their gut microbiome. So foods like leeks, shallots, artichokes, most of your greens, like broccoli and things like that are actually providing some of these fermentable carbohydrates, so will actually be encouraging good bacterial growth.

Dorte Bladt: Excellent.  

Jasmin Polley: Yes. Sometimes you need to look at an underlying cause if you’re sure they got a bacterial overgrowth, but then bringing those foods back and trying to nourish the good bacteria.

Dorte Bladt: So it doesn’t just feed – whatever – one-cell in your body, it also feeds the ten cells in your gut.

Jasmin Polley: Yeah, absolutely. I think just reminding people of when they’re eating they’re not just eating for themselves, but they’re also eating for their gut bacteria.

Dorte Bladt: For their family. Someone told me once that if you – because we were talking kids, but, you know, antibiotics – it supposedly kills out a significant number of your gut bacteria as well as whatever else it’s targeted for. How long does it take or is it possible to bring it back to normal levels?

Jasmin Polley: Yeah, it depends on the type of antibiotic and how long you’ve been on it. Your general penicillin or amoxicillin, they’re generally pretty good at being able to bring the gut back from that. If they had been on triple broad-spectrum antibiotics then it can definitely a little bit trickier. Some of those gut microbes species may be killed out with that, so that means that they’ll unfortunately never come back without a faecal transfer or microbial transfer as far as we know unless – technology might catch up and we might be able to buy some of these gut strains in pills in the years to come – but when somebody has just had antibiotics, it does vary, once again, but you’re probably looking at at least a month to six months depending on the antibiotics.

Dorte Bladt: Okay, so people actually mentioned kimchi and kombucha is all very good, but I take it that people like that actually need a supplement.

Jasmin Polley: Yeah, I do use probiotics in that case and I use prebiotics to really boost that back and making sure that they’re taking probiotics during the time that they’re taking the antibiotics. A lot of people wait. They think “oh, it’s really no good” when it can actually definitely prevent more damage with them doing that. Just obviously taking them at a different time of the antibiotic and some, there’s different probiotics that are actually transient yeasts that are not killed by the antibiotics so we can use them at the same time to prevent some of the antibiotic-associated symptoms, like diarrhoea and things like that.  

Dorte Bladt: It’s so important, isn’t it? That means then that a family with a kid with infections or whatever, they have their antibiotics but they really should take the probiotics then for six months?

Jasmin Polley: Well, if they can do that then yes, that would be good. The other thing is even starting off with a high-strength probiotic and then really looking at the prebiotic side with that, because the prebiotics you can actually buy things, like your GOS and your FOS, which are different types of prebiotics at higher levels and you can be supplementing that which works out more cost-effectively as well.

Dorte Bladt: Okay. So what do the average parent that is listening, can they go to the health food store and say, “okay, well, we have just had antibiotics prescribed for ear infections. I need probiotics. What do I need?” Can they go there? Is it something over the counter? How does that work?

Jasmin Polley: Yes, they can. It depends on the staff that they get, obviously, and how much they know about that. Can I mention brands or anything like that on here?

Dorte Bladt: I think you can. I want to say, yeah, we do one of those and we offend anyone, but, yes, you go ahead.

Jasmin Polley: I just think that the Ethical Nutrients brand is one that’s pretty easy to get – that would be the Inner Health. If it’s still damaged by the antibiotics then it’s a good one for re-establishing balance. They do do a brand that I think is called Candex that has that yeast in there, so that they can take it at the same time. So that will be a place to start if they at least want to make sure that they’re doing something at the same time and then just really trying to keep their child’s diet as broad as they can, really thinking about those rainbow foods so that they’re nourishing the child at the same time.

Dorte Bladt: I’m going to throw you a curve ball here. I know you have two children.

Jasmin Polley: Yes, I do.

Dorte Bladt: So what does their lunchbox look like?

Jasmin Polley: Well, that fruit and vegetables for the Fruit Breaks. Usually, they got a little container with some chopped up apples or some berries or something in it and another one where I usually put some carrot, cucumber, that type of thing.

Dorte Bladt: Okay, so we’ve got red, orange and green.

Jasmin Polley: Yes. So I’ve got a rainbow in there. My son – he’s loving his fried rice at the moment, so I think with winter – bringing that into the lunchbox. I usually got to mix the veggies in there and we use brown basmati rice so that’s a little bit of a slower GI release. That’s a good thing with that. My daughter often likes wraps – so a wrap with a salad and some protein on there. Then it depends on what I’ve got – sometimes I do get lazy and I’ll just get a packet of popcorn or something like that, but ideally, I like to be cooking them a little mini quiche or things like that that can be as their recess kind of options.  

Dorte Bladt: Good. Well, you passed the test.

Jasmin Polley: I was right.

Dorte Bladt: Absolutely. One last thing – do you have a particular passion? Do you have some advice that you think is incredibly important for our listeners to have? Something they can use in their everyday life?

Jasmin Polley: So I’m known to go back, I think my number one thing that I really want people to know is that food can be your medicine and don’t underestimate the power of a healthy diet and what you can actually heal from just eating well. The most of our nutrients can come through our foods. Now, it is true that our foods may not contain as many nutrients as they did in the days gone by, however, if you start there, at the very least trying to eat as broad a diet as possible, at least the kids are getting a broad range of tastes then as well. So a lot of kids they don’t know what they don’t like or what they will like until they’ve had it quite a few times. So, you know, really sticking with that. You know what’s best for them as a parent. Just getting them to try little bits and experiment with the foods that they’re eating can make a big difference for not only their health now but how broad their thinking is when they get older.

Dorte Bladt: That’s good advice. I’m just going to tell you a silly story. A couple of years ago, my son was travelling around the world and he was in Canada living with a couple of boys. As the typical mother, I’m thinking “he’s out of home… I wonder whether he lives on McDonalds and stuff”. So I just had a very quick sneak peek in the cupboard to see what he had in there – what I found really interesting was that all the hard yards – he is living away, he’s out of home and mother isn’t going to tell him what he needs to eat any more – but his cupboard was full of lentils and brown rice and fruit and vegetables. There was nothing prepackaged. I was so proud of him. One thing was being proud of him and another thing will also be a little bit proud of me, but knowing that it is when they’re young that they pick up the habits. If we can instil a healthy habit, it will be with them for their health for a lifetime.  

Jasmin Polley: Absolutely and I think kids are little sponges so we really can educate them now so that they can understand that they’re growing a healthy body and that starts early on when they’re putting all those foundations in, so the more that we can get them eating healthy and if they do eat bad, they’re feeling sick, actually questioning them, “oh, what do you think may have caused that?” And linking it back to maybe the unhealthy food that they just had before or something.  

Dorte Bladt: That blue vomit, child, may be because of the sponge cake. Sorry, that was disgusting! Thank you so much for joining us, Jasmin. If you could just again just fill us in, where are you? Who are you? Just so people know where to contact you if they feel they can get some benefit from having a chat to you.

Jasmin Polley: Sure. Thank you so much, Dorte, for having me on. I’m actually just pretty much around the corner from you in Charlestown. My website is https://www.wellnessvision.com.au, so you can find out more about me there if you’re interested.

Dorte Bladt: And your name again?

Jasmin Polley: Jasmin Polley.

Dorte Bladt: And your business?

Jasmin Polley: Wellness Vision.

Dorte Bladt: Perfect. Thank you.

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